Circular No 334

Newsletter for past alumni of The Abbey School, Mt. St. Benedict, Trinidad and Tobago, W.I.

Caracas, 29 of March 2008 - Circular No. 334

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I am back home in Caracas, Venezuela, ready to send out Circulars.

The trip was wonderful, I took my two smaller kids to meet the two elder brothers, who live in Valencia, Spain.

This is the first time the four met for at least in the last five years.

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tevelyn

Tuesday, February 5, 2008 9:06:45 PM

Ladislao,

Got your emails today and will contact you as soon as I get all the info.

At 75 I have got a little slow but will try to hurry things up OK YOUNG FELLA

I have found a photograph of the whole school taken in late 48 0r early 49.

I have enlarged it to 15" x 11"

This was taken when Fr Bernard was moved for a short time and Fr Gantaume was put in charge of the school.

I am hoping to send same this week along with some other stuff.

Regards

Trevor

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No hurry, it is just that I am cleaning some of the old emails.

I have reached January 15 , 2008. and still have 100 outstanding messages to read.

I have started Circular No. 337 with the material read.

You are getting a lot from me because I have read your comments and Cecil's.

Just take your time and I am sure that the list can be finished soon.

Yes, 10 years makes me younger, hahaha.

I have not been called younger since sometime, hahaha thanks.

Remember the address is:

Ladislao Kertesz

Apartado 69072

Caracas, Venezuela 1062ª

Telf. +58 212 263 5346

God bless

Ladislao

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From: Elizabeth Ince

Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 4:15 PM

Subject: Mount St. B. information requested

Dear Trevor:

Our masters were Dom. Basil Mathews, M.A., (English Language and Literature) - Father Paul (Maths) - Father Chrysostom Leesing (Spanish/French) - Father Leo (Latin) - Dom Ildefons Von Scroots (History and Geography).

I attended M.S.B. from January 1948 - December 1949.

John Gordon Lang (his second try) and I (my first try) both secured "First Grades".

In the previous year (1948, I think) Noel Llanos was first student to gain a First Grade,

I believe he also came second in the island and was awarded the Jerningaam Medal.

He was, I think 14, when he sat.

Yourself, J.G. Lang, Hamil Marcelin, Norris Blanc, Angus Fraser, Raymond Vivies, Raymond Devaux, Scipio Soodeen, Louis Ache, Sidney Raymond (Seminarian) Vincent Compton (Seminarian) Gerald Farinha (Cramody-Crammer boy) - also a Seminarian and myself.

Oh, yes, another day student Philip (Pip) Vire, Ligouri Inkim and Archie Didier - Ince, Inkim and Didier were all from Arima.

This was the class of 48/49 -

Dom. Bernard Vlaar was our Abbot for awhile then Dom. Adalbert Van Duin (at the time, only 32 and the youngest Abbot in the world).

Dom. Placid Ganteaume was Abbot a while and perhaps because his family also hailed from Arima was really one of the few masters who would display an almost fatherly kind attitude towards me - even calling me by my first name.

Herewith are a few stories worth telling which I hope Ladislao will use:-

1) One afternoon, I happened to be standing next to Father John - we were watching the boarders enter the Chapel adjacent to the College and he remarked to me - "You can always tell when someone has been taught good manners" - I asked why - his response - Of all the boys who have entered the Chapel (Nobby) Blanc was the only one to wipe his shoes on the doormat.

2) In 1978, and I still have his reply, I wrote a good natured letter to Father Ildefons who I knew had become an outstanding charismatic Priest in Trinidad. This seemed so much at odds with the personality I knew back in 1948/49. I told him that he had the distinction of being the only teacher who had ever expelled me from his History class - not only for that day but he told me to get out and never to return to his class. He replied saying that for most of his life, he had been searching and had only found true faith about 12 years before.

3) The 'day students' were generally regarded by the Masters as tokens - we were 'add ons' and the main thrust of the College was, believe it or not, on the boarders. Our day students, apart from the three Arima boys (in Form Five, my Form) were the good looking Frankie Cook, Desmond Brunton, Ian (Guinea) Lee Kam and two other East Indian boys who never used the Abbey Bus as we did - they always walked - one was named Mohammed - the Abbey bus drivers were Straker and Edwards.

4) Fast Forward to the late 80's (I think) - Dom. Bernard (the Cobra) was visiting Barbados and staying with friends of ours - he asked them to call me - I was of course happy to see him after those many years and he said to me - "You know we had it all wrong in those days - we catered only to the boys of the elite families - in Trinidad, Guyana, Grenada, St. Lucia and of course Venezuela". Sadly, Father Bernard who had subsequently suffered a stroke after he left Barbados, died a rather tragic death, I think in St. Maarten (Dutch side) - accidentally he had turned on the hot water to fill his tub and because of his stroke had limited mobility - he just could not reach to turn off the tap.

In conclusion, Dom. Adalbert Van Duin was always exceptionally nice to me, so was the incorrigible Father Chrysostom Lee Sing. I had a good relationship with Brother Anthony (Drake) - Brother Gabriel (Pax Honey) - Brother George (who had been previously the sexton at the Santa Rosa Church in Arima) as well as Brothers. Gerald, Michael (Bakery) and as every other boy was aware - Father Peter, our resident Saint.

U.I.O.G.D. UT IN OMNIBUS GRATIA DEO - THAT IN ALL THINGS GOD MAY BE BLEST.

Best regards. CECIL

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Saturday, January 12, 2008 11:57:36 AM

Ladislao,

Recd. your Emails , regarding the one from Cecil I have no comments at this time I notice that you have Prep B in 1943.

I thought that the school started in 1944.

The first boys that I can remember were John Darwent, John Mendes, John Llanos, Vincent Compton, Sydney Raymond..

When I arrived in 1945 April there were only about 40 students.

Oh I forgot Jack Knaggs, the names of some of those are Norris Blanc, John.D. Miller, Scipio Soodeen, Tony Gomes, Clive Bettencourt Gomes, Emanuel Mendes, Terence Gonsalves, Brian Gonsalves, Bunny Gonsalves, Jeffrey Prada, Big Arneau, Hamil Marcelin, Tommy Jardim, Terence Paulic .

There were others at the start but I cannot remember.

We were housed on the top floor of the building at the bottom of the the path of the New school at top of hill

The bottom floor was the rec. Room, the refectory and Bro Michael in his bakery.

Will add to this later

Trevor

(From news the school started in 1942, but of course I do not know with what grade. Ed.)

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tevelyn ...

Sunday, January 13, 2008 1:42:10 PM

Ladislao,

Just sitting around doing nothing but thought of something in your email who left MSB and went somewhere else to finish school well here goes.

These left and went to England

Clive Bettencourt Gomes

Brian Gonsalves

Bunny Gonsalves

Terence Gonsalves

John Willems

Anthony Willems

John Farfan

David Farfan

Nigel Slinger

Paul Slinger

There may be others but cannot remember.

Have not received replies from the old boys I contacted perhaps they do not want to open up old memories.

I cannot see why in those days we had the best of everything those years.

1945 to 1949 were some of the best years of my life.

Good friends who unfortunately have ended up all over the world so the friendships were lost.

Something I cannot understand is the fact that the person who should know a great deal about what took place in the past is not helping ??????? Art.

Perhaps I am totally out of touch any way I will try my best from time to time to send thins to you.

Regards

Trevor

(Art is having difficulties in settling down at a computer, with all the travelling. Ed.)

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tevelyn ...

Saturday, February 2, 2008 1:40:38 PM

Ladislao,

I am in contact with Nigel Boos and together with a lot of old boys we are hoping to develop a web site with Email addresses etc.

I speak as if I know what Nigel is doing ???

I am the 5th wheel to the coach.

Will be sending you the photographs sometime this week hope they get to you safely.

What I am going to do is give you the names I recognise in order of the rows eg., back row form 5.

May be I do not know too much of the smaller guys.

I do not know the names some of the boys of 1947 & 1948

It is sad to see some of the comments made by some of the students of course those are the ones with so much to say??

Well my friend together we will go forth.

Regards

Trevor

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tevelyn ...

Monday, January 7, 2008 11:02:03 PM

Ladislao

Man you are fast, I look forward to your letters and everything.

Yes I know:

John Willems he and his brother Anthony together with Clive Bg

Brian Gonsalves

Bunny Gonsalves & cousin Terence Gonsalves

Bernard Gomes

Osmond Gomes

Tommy Jardim

Mickey Chatterton

Maurice Correia

Gregory De Cambra

Hilary De Cambra

Benedict Lopes

Raymond De Cambra

Tony Gomes along with myself all came to the Mount from Guyana.

There were some others that I believe came after me so cannot give their names.

I am trying to gather a list of those that were at MSB during my time I am hoping that some of the old boys who I ented with to contact will help out.

Bear strain my friend all will be OK.

Regards

Trevor

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Tony Vieira ...

Monday, January 7, 2008 5:06:27 PM

Dear Ladislao,

I do not know a John Vieira, Terry John Vieira AKA spoof is my father's brother, my uncle; he is still alive living in Guyana, there is therefore no Terrence Vieira as well.

Clyde Vieira was at the mount with us and I knew him well, his entire family mother, father etc. moved to Canada years ago before 1970.

I know that since I was looking for him to invite him to my first marriage and I have never heard of him or his family since.

Anthony Vieira is of course yours truly.

the Dornellas', the Ferrieras and the Gonsalves' have all migrated to Canada, Robert Wight is still here in Guyana.

I'll find out if he uses a computer.

I did not know of anyone whose Name Vieira is spelt another way but the Guyana telephone directory does tell me that only one Michael Viera lives here in Guyana obviously an error of some sort.

Strange things happen in countries when different races migrate to it, I once had a friend whose name was Yacub Ali but his father had a company called A. Mazaralli and sons, so I once asked him how the hell his surname was Ali and his father's name was Mazarali, now these people were big lumber dealers had several sawmills around Guyana they still do,

he explained that when his father was born he was to be called Anand Mazar Ali, and the idiots at the post office registering the birth recorded his name as Anand Mazarali.

I have met one old timer who went to the Mount when it was first opened [he must have some real interesting stories] his name is John Williams he would around nearly 70 plus.

I can make contact with him he is still active since even though retired he is a member of the ethnic relations commission.

You are well?

I have been under the weather somewhat and it has not been a very joyful season for us this year, my mother died two days before Christmas day 2007.

I know that you sometimes enjoy my writing, so I have attached her Eulogy which I delivered in the church.

Tony

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Any more comments on this CLASS jigsaw and I shall go crazy.

Those of whom that keep up to date photos, do not forget to down load these.

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Photos:

58LK0001LKEGL,

60UN0001STANTHONY, St. Anthony House on the parade grounds. The best house at the Mount.

60LK0001LKETC, Your Editor stranding the Tennis courts

60LK0002LKECA, Photo of the Cachacare Island Cave´s roof, been told that the rest collapsed??

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Circular No 333

Newsletter for past alumni of The Abbey School, Mt. St. Benedict, Trinidad and Tobago, W.I.

Valencia (Spain), 22 of March 2008, No. 333
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Dear Friends,

I am on vacation in Valencia, Spain, travelling with my two younger sons from Venezuela, spending some time with my two eldest sons who are living here for good.

I hope to see Csaba Jakobszen, who is living close by.

Since I have some time, I am sending out this Circular with the emails on the proposed Florida Jam/Abbey Old Boys(Private Club) Musicians/Jam Session/Reunion #1‏

I hope that these guys will have a good time.
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Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 08:51:51 -0400
From: reglaw@gmail.com

WELCOME HOME GLEN #2.... (I mean Glen Evelyn !!!! ) ... and you've made a great morning for me Glen#1 (I mean Glen McKoy !!!) with your enthusiastic musical messages .. Gosh !!! ...

It's gonna be a great moment when we get all together ... you'll see ... My Fender Bass is starting to tremble ...

Please try to get in touch with Norman Smith ... I am not sure if he is back from his trip to San Diego, California.

We need to get hold of him.

Norman plays the guitar, bass and also sings like a true rocker !!! ... I know .. I've seen him, heard him and shared with him. Great musician!!!

Un Gran Abrazo para todos ... Siempre Amigo ...

May you all have a Blessed Holy Thursday ... GOD BLESS YOU ALL my Mount Boy Brothers !!!

Rafa ./ CheChe
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On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 8:41 AM,
Glen Mckoy <mckoy43glen@hotmail.com> wrote:

Dear Glen(G#2) & fellow musicians.

Welcome back to the home front.

Well I think you deserve a little rest.

Anyhow, seeing how you're just getting back.

Update, things are on hold, anyhow, as CheChe , said you guys have to get together and jam, I understand that personal thing as a musician.

Cafe Europa , sounds great.

Yeah, you guys, already, have a lot on your plate, with the plaque etc. and the Kitty fund also in progress.

So be careful, two of you, on how much more, you take on.

I only expect to hear about the musical reunion from you guys, depending on where we want to take this.

The rest of the work load will have to be picked up by other members, in the area, with arrangements, or in cooperation with you guys.

I understand, that there are a lot of brothers who want to party

Like guys from Venezuela who contacted me, and saying count them in.

We will have to get the word out that the band, is still in rehearsal.

Right ? About the band.

When you guys get together, a common song list would be nice.

So I know what stuff to refreshup on.

Mr. Norman Smith, a singer you say, excellent, and guitar player also.

Well we have to get the singer song list, because, that is what the singer sings. Cool.

Also if David is coming, a guy with CDs and a songwriter to, many Calypso/soca artist.

I'll say no more, Sounds you've heard, and don't even know, this is the guy who wrote them.

His music is already a tribute to what the music Calypso was, and will be classics in time.

I heard, Hudson play it all, from Elton John, Santana, Sparrow, Bob Marley, David Bowie, Eagles, Shadow, Kitch, Disco, Funk, Soca, Rock n Roll, Hendrix, after awhile it all became one style.

Hudson even helped arrange, for a section of a top pan side, in Trinidad.

Also a songwriter, keyboard player, with 3 or 4 of his original songs played in many countries.

Brothers, from what I see, we have, volumes of music, to share with each other.

Who knows where this can go? Let’s take it slow, let’s get the tempo.

Don't worry, we will have this band together, by the time we all retire.

/ The Florida Jam / A White Stones Production/ Live Recordings/ The Abbey House Band / members only /

Best Regards and Thanking you all, for you time, (G#1)

G#2 this is my address :

Glen McKoy/ 80 ADELAIDE AVE./ HALIFAX N.S./ CANADA / B3N 2N8

Please note I will be going to the Dominican Republic, on Saturday, March 22nd/08 will be back the following Saturday.

Will give you a week grace, then I will be phoning you, o.k.
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From: gevelyn1@bellsouth.net
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 09:41:35 +0000

Rafa,

Just arrived back to lovely Florida, got your message.

I will call. Let’s see if we can get together at Cafe Europa for a FREE dinner.

Glen, I pulled out the Rosewood neck guitar I started (for you) a few months ago.

It should be ready this week.

Send me your shipping address.

Glen
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From:Glen Mckoy (mckoy43glen@hotmail.com)
Sent:Wed 3/19/08 10:14 PM

Hello David,

So you will be in Toronto.

Well, I will inform Hudson, Nigel and some of the boys in Toronto, of your visit there.

It will be a prefect time for some of the boys to meet a brother that was on the mount way before us, and a wicked musician.

David, you and Hudson will have to make contact.

Hudson is in contact with recording studios, in Toronto and very connected to Caribana people and stuff.

As like yourself Hudson and his son, also have a few songs on C.D etc.

Hudson son, Gino is very involved with the Soca Warriors club in Toronto.

David, if you get to Montreal then you are close to my place.

David if you want to come for a few days to Nova Scotia, you are more than welcome to stay at my house.

I know how busy things get for Caribana in Toronto.

If I can, I will try to catch you in Toronto while you are there.

My mother and sister also live there.

Thank you again for all your wonderful CDs , that you have sent me over time.

Playing only sweet notes,

Yours truly,

Glen McKoy.
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From: thecalypsobandit@hotmail.com
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:04:01 +0000

Hi glen,

I will be in Toronto from July 15th to august 15th REMEMBER THAT IS CARIBANA TIME.

Any other dates

o.k."bandit"
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From: thecalypsobandit@hotmail.com
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 20:37:30 +0000

Hi guys,

What is this about coming down to Florida to Jam.

I live in Florida on the west coast.

That’s where you want to be away from Miami.

Book any thing near to Clearwater beach and you won’t regret it "THE BANDIT"
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From: mckoy43glen@hotmail.com
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 21:01:58 +0000

Thank you so much David, fellas ah hearing the West coast? ?/ CheChe , you will have to comment to David on this.

Also any old boy playing drums?? yet.

What instrument is Norman playing again. I forgot, I read it , somewhere.

Also CheChe we have to rehash the all the old band lists, that came up in past circular issues.

May be, a note to all mount past musicians, might be an idea.

Nigel it might be time for the Musicians List ?? More work ha! ha!

Love to all

Glen.
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From: Glen Mckoy (mckoy43glen@hotmail.com)
Sent: Tue 3/18/08 8:37 PM

Thank you Nigel,

CheChe, I see, Mr Norman Smith might be adding some notes to the event.

We are, in the planning stage, also we got some interest from a couple of old boys in Venezuela, who coming for the lime, for sure.

Once we have an idea, of how many people are interested then we can, narrow down a compatible time frame, to work with that will be best, for all.

But don't worry, we are working on this and other pending projects right it now.

We are also waiting for a major contributor, and one of the arrangers, of the event in Florida Jam,

Mr Glen Evelyn (#2) To get back to the states.

If it was up to CheChe, he ready now.

My wife asked me last night what part of Florida is the event, as she was checking on ticket prices for me I don't even know the answer to where in Florida yet..

However between Tim, CheChe, G#2, G#3, Wayne Hackett, in Florida also, many boys that are in the area will jump in to help out, when arrangements are organised.

So please rest tight for the moment.

Thanking all of you in advance, you party people, who have already contacted us on the Florida Jam Session.

The eager support, we are already receiving is amazing.

We were talking about a House or the beach, the way it was looking, if it continues like this, we might have to get a Hotel.

Please those of you who are interested, please send your names in to Rafael Echeverriav (CheChe) or Tim Healy (Tarzan) or Glen Evevlyn (G#2) or myself Glen McKoy(G#1)

Thank again and looking forward to your comments.

Yours truly

Glen McKoy.

(Guitar player/ keyboard player/ drummer/ backup vocals.)
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From: nigelboos@eagles-wings.ca
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 06:29:59 -0400

Hey Stu, Norman,

A couple of Old Boys of MSB are planning to get together in Florida to have a jam session sometime in summer.

I just thought that you might like to get involved with them, and to bring your guitars as well.

OK. I know that perhaps you all do not know one another AS YET, but hey, it might be an opportunity to get together and to enjoy some good company.

If you're interested, perhaps you can coordinate through Glen McKoy in Nova Scotia. (mckoy43glen@hotmail.com)

Nigel P. Boos
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Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 16:01:15 -0400
From: reglaw@gmail.com

I AM IN !!! For that Florida Jam ... now .. THAT'S GONNA BE REAL SOMETIN !!!! ...I CAN' T WAIT !!! ... I SUPPOSE WE WILL ALL BE NOTIFIED IN ADVANCE ... I'M ONLY WAITING FOR GLEN#1 TO ARRIVE AND WE'LL START REHEARSING ...My Fender Precision is ready !!! ...

CheChe ....
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On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 3:09 PM,
Glen Mckoy <mckoy43glen@hotmail.com> wrote:

Hello/ Hola todos / my brothers / Things are slowly warming up/ How yuh doing ? Hope all is well.

Neil, that photo, is me this year, on a boat, in the arm, in the Halifax harbour, on the coast right before you hit the real ocean,

The Cap covering the bald head from the sun.

I'm 52 yrs old, this year, Brazilian women ripped my hair out, in expressing their passionate love, for me, when I was young, and it never grew back, no regrets, life goes on.

Attila, should like that.

Remember man, the Titanic, well this is the port that responded to the s.o.s call when the ship was sinking, every thing that was found, was brought back here to Halifax, even the bodies of the victims are buried here, lots of history.

I use to sail every summer, out of South-West cove, right across from Peggy's cove , here in Nova Scotia, for about 20 years, with my buddy father, who was, always the captain, he was like the top shrink, here in Halifax in the 60's-80's, and then he passed away a few years ago, he was in his late 80's,

Like ah father, learned a lot from him.

I lost interest in sailing, and only motor boat around now.

However, the Atlantic Ocean is wild in the summer months here, it gets hot, but the ocean is still colder than Ice.

The sailing was great; not that smooth, but I loved it.

It was like Running down from White Stones, and yuh late for Showers at Six.?

The Florida Jam/ Abbey Old Boys(Private Club) Musicians /Jam Session / Reunion . #1 (this is only from G#1 point of view)

What If ??

If I was coming to Florida, for any gathering, you guys better have a boat trip booked, for part of the day, I hope, on this long weekend event by the ocean.

Rent a place on by the ocean, a big place by the beach, &n bsp; close to good food, for the weekend.

Well yuh know there will be a lot of guys, from Canada that might decide to come down.

Some guys might come with wives or who ever, would of course arrange for a motel/hotel close by.

But, the place we rent, for that weekend, is Grand Central, Hang-Out .

Real Musicians coming, and is party time, and we go be, jamming down the place.

If Hudson come, we need to rent a good Keyboard, if Wayne Hackett come we have real Pan, if David De Castro (the calypso bandit) come, yuh have a band, if Rafael Echeverria (CheChe) comes we will have a Wicked Bass Player, if I Glen McKoy (Guitar#1) and Glen Evelyn(Guitar#2) comes, we have two guitar players here already, and rent a drum set too,

I play drums; Wayne plays drums, or a member, Kid??

Also rent a Roland Acoustic Chorus Amp/ for me to play thru ( my Godin/ Nylon String Electric Acoustic) it also has a Vocals channel,

If you see a good price, in Florida, I will buy, and keep it there till I come down, and who knows, who else are musicians in the group.

If all these guys come together, and of course all the limers, memories forever, yours. Don't worry; the boys from Canada will foot a big part of the bill.

Well, we who stay in" The party house by the Sea." Book now with CheChe/Tim/G#2.

Of Course with all the excitement of getting together, some boys might have a little to much to drink, then you have a place, to crash, call the wife say, yuh to drunk to drive, will see yuh in the morning.

The never ending Jam, All night long

As an Imaginary member, of (the high command) The Committee, now.

We are required to have at all reunions, a escort/body guard on hand to ensure, that any committee members or members on hand are not harassed / or intimidated and nothing, prevents the event, the party, from happening as planed.

So on behalf of the committee, I am requesting Anthony Garner (Mono) to accompany me to Florida, as official of the Law here in Canada,

This committee member will feel safe to have Mono on site, for the event.

LET'S GET THE PARTY STARTED / DO AH LITTLE DANCE / SING A LITTLE SONG / GET DOWN TO FLORIDA.

Best Regards goes out to all my Brothers.

Glen Mckoy/ Parrot Troop (proud member since: 1968-2008)

Big Hi goes out to G#2/CheChe/calypsobandit/Hudson/Wayne/G#3/ Tarzan/Aziz/Mono/Edgar/Oscar over n out G#1
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I am including two photos from Valencia, Spain
08LK0001LKEVAL, Your Editor taking time off.
08LK0002LKEVAL, Your Editor working on this Circular.

Circular No 332

Newsletter for past alumni of The Abbey School, Mt. St. Benedict, Trinidad and Tobago, W.I.

Caracas, 15 of March 2008 No. 332
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Dear Friends,

This is a long Circular on Class 1969, the investigations and results.

Please send all comments with CC to Jan as he has been named coordinator of CLASS 1969 and may be of Class 1968??

He is going to keep an updated list of “all MSB graduated” and “would have graduated Form V” with whom he was a classmate through out the years.

So let us start reading
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Andres Larsen ...
Saturday, January 5, 2008 11:40:52 AM

Dear Ladislao,

Small observation there for you, 8 and 11 can´t both simultaneously be Paul Quesnel, besides both chaps definitely look different from each other.

I still firmly believe 17 is Michael D´Ornellas (alias "Specs") but without his trademark spectacles squinting into the camera.

I don´t recall exactly if Michael D´Ornellas was in the Class of 1963-1968 but that both you and Michael have a better grip on than me.

I always thought Specs was in our Class of 1964-1969, but then again I might be wrong on that one.

Kind regards

Andrés Larsen
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"GYURIS, ATTILA N" ...
Friday, January 4, 2008 12:15:54 PM
63UN0001CLASS1969, prep B, This is not my class.

I arrived into Prep A and there was no prep B by then.

When I arrived, these boys were in Form I.

Wow!, ALL those faces are extremely familiar but I can only come up with the names of a few right away.
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Gmail Jan ...
Thursday, January 3, 2008 8:50:07 PM

Yes Ladislao,

The boys that I mentioned in the photo were the boys that were with me in the Forms I and II and III and IV from october 1963 to july 1967.

After that I left the Mount, but if nothing changed these 12 boys with a lot of other new ones finished Form V in the Abbey School in july 1968.

The other boys in the picture were not in my class but have familiar faces to me.

They must have failed exams at one time and therefore stayed behind.

If you would look at the picture of From II june 1965 that is the class I went with into Form III and IV until summer 1967.

In fact you make the right conclusion that maybe a minor part finished the Abbey School in 1968 and the rest in 1969.

Hope I have been of some help,

Greetings Jan Koenraadt
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From: ladislao kertesz
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 11:56 PM

Dear Jan

Can then say that it is class 1968 instead of 1969

I say this because there were very few kids that were promoted, that is jumped ahead.

Most did repeat instead so the majority graduate in 1969 of the photo I sent you.

I shall make the corrections.

God Bless

Ladislao
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Dear Ladislao,

I just received your mail with the Photo "Prep B 1963 Noo".

There are a few boys I recognise very well because they were in my class Form I from october 1963 which class would finish the Abbey School in summer 1968.

The other boys on the picture have familiar faces to me but they were not in my class so I don't recollect their names.

I recognise these boys on the picture as being one year younger when I came to the Abbey School in october 1963.

So they are indeed Prep B from october 1962-july 1963.

I attach a picture of Class 1968 made in june 1965 as Form II where you see the boys above mentioned re-appear.

Best wishes for the new year

Jan Koenraadt
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Dear Attila

I have come up with a good?? better?? way to straighten things out.

Look at it and comment.

God Bless

Ladislao
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From: Attila GYURIS gyuris@yahoo.com
Sent: Saturday, January 5, 2008 5:00:43 PM

Andres, Specs and all:

No doubt about the dates of the 1963-1968 class snapshot, however...

It is interesting to note that some (but not all, as some didn't finish at the Mount), of these boys ended in Form V with me in school year 1968-1969.

So, I wonder if it should be the class of 1963-1969?

On another note,

I wonder if anybody (perhaps Fr. Cuthbert) have a picture or at least an old list of names for the 1968-1969 Form V class?

Maybe we could come together and make up the list?

I think it would an interesting little project.

Some of those boys in these early class pictures made it to all the way to Form V, others dropped out, and other boys enrolled in school later.

Cheers,

Attila Gyuris

MSB 1964-1969
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Gmail Jan ...
Sunday, January 6, 2008 7:56:15 AM

Dear Attila,

I am very pleased to receive from you such a clear picture of you and Josh Shoemaker. It solves the discussion who he really is, as he was spotted on other pictures by some while others call that it is not him.

The picture you send of you at the pool in with a cap on, I recognize the boy on the right of you (closest to the camera) indeed as Josh Shoemaker.

Because he also spoke Dutch he was my closest friend in my first two years.

About reconstructing the list of names of the class Form V 1968-1969, I left the Abbey School in the summer of 1967, so I cannot be of much help.

Except that four names in your list were students in my class from 1963-1967, namely

3) Lindsay Moffat

4) Paul Quesnel

10) Charles Devaux

11) Douglas Watson

This could only be possible if they failed exams in summer 1967 or 1968 and stayed behind one year.

Apart from you and Josh Schoemaker I also remember 12) Phillip Laughlin as being one class lower than me.

Not in your list below, also Derek Fakoory, Steve Anderson, Edgehill (nickname "hot ...."), Dennis Gurley were one class below me, so if they didn't fail their exams or left Mount earlier, they were in class 1968-1969.

Hope this will help you,

Much greetings Jan Koenraadt
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Gmail Jan ...
Sunday, January 6, 2008 8:42:21 AM

Dear Ladislao,

I received your picture 63UN0001CLASS1968 Prep B 1963 with the names at the bottom.

About number 6, I named him first Larrie Thomas, but I sent you a correction mail that I made a mistake and it must be Richard Thomas. His elder brother was Larrie Thomas.

The picture I received from Attila Gyuris Swim Competition 1965 (1).jpg, the boy most right and closest to the camera I recognise as Josh Schoemaker. In the first two years I was at the Mount from 1963-1965 we were close friends because he also spoke Dutch.

When we had a long weekend holiday I couldn't go home to Surinam, so I went to stay at home with the parents of Josh Schoemaker in Woodford Lodge Estate, Chaguanas, Trinidad.

I have a picture of that time with the parents house of Josh Schoemaker in the background and a neighbouring girl Gail Forest.

We were all facing the problem that there were no girls at the Mount, some drove a scooter in the night all the way down the village to see a girl, this was my first encountering and penpal for some time.

That's all we could do about girls at that time, getting and writing letters.

I can add this story to it.

Maybe about two years later father Cuthbert drove us with a VW bus to Maracas Bay one day.

When I jumped out of the bus, I saw this girl Gail Forrest again in the water and went straight on to her to chat.

This was much to a surprise to father Cuthebert how come I could know a girl at the beach so fast, and he wanted to know.

That was also the moment some older boy came in contact with a jelly-fish in the water and had burning streams on his chest.

He had a lot of pain and had to lie down in the VW bus.

I don't know his name anymore but first aid had to come and I believe those swollen stream stayed always on his chest.

Much regards and greetings

Jan Koenraadt
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Paul Quesnel <paul@kissbaking.com> wrote:
Sunday, January 6, 2008 2:44:13 PM

Andres

You were in class with Peter.

Yes their family did own an estate in Maracas Valley that has recently been sold as Peter’s Father died a couple of years ago.

El Tucuche is North of that valley and generally Maracas is over the hill.

My parents estates were in Sangre Grande (east) and Mayaro (south east).

Cocoa in Trinidad is dead although we produce the best flavoured in the world.

FACT. The Government has killed agriculture in this country over the last 50 years and are only now realising what they have done.

Probably too late to fix it as our people have forgotten how to live and work on the lands over time.

Although I was never a Scout I helped Cutty Drop troops off to camp and judged food and knots etc.

PAUL Q
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From: Andres Larsen [mailto:andres_larsen@yahoo.com]
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 3:28 PM

Paul

Ages since I have heard anything directly from the Quesnel family.

I vaguely recall that your family owns (or owned) a plantation in the valley next to the west of Mount on the way to Port of Spain .

I am not completely sure anymore if that valley, which also runs north south, has Mount El Tucuche, Trinidad´s highest peak at its northern end.

I don´t remember what the plantation produces (or produced) but I do remember that in the area of Mount El Tucuche, maybe on its southern and northern flanks, there were (or still are a number of cocoa plantations.

I don´t remember either if Mount El Tucuche, on its northern side, slopes off to Maracas Bay .

We former Queen´s Scouts never do stop reminiscing about our camping and hiking activities of those days.

After 40 years some recollections understandably do become somewhat hazy.

I am not sure if it was you or Peter that I was in class with from 1964 through to 1969.

Likewise best wishes for 2008

Andrés L
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Attila GYURIS ...Sunday, January 6, 2008 5:25:20 PM

Hi Jan:

Thanks.

Well, I did jump one grade (I did Form II and Form III both during the same school year, 1966-1967),

Maybe that would explain some of the discrepancies, but not all.

This means that I would have been graduating in Form V with the class one year ahead of me.

For example: Andres Larsen was in the class ahead of me while I was in Prep A, Form I and Form II.

Then I caught up with him in Form III, half way through the school year 1966-1967.

We both did Forms III, IV and V together.

This still doesn't explain something...

...You were two forms ahead of me in 1964, correct? So if L. Moffat and Paul Q. - for example – were in your class,(i.e. two classes ahead of me), how come they appear in my Form V class?

I don't believe they repeated any school years, or did they? Maybe I am confused somewhere. It's a mystery to me.

Andres: can you help out with this...is my list of names in our Form V course correct?

Here is what I did:

School Years - Forms attended:

1964-1965 Prep A

1965-1966 Form I

1966-1967 Form II and Form III

1967-1968 Form IV

1968-1969 Form V

Attila Gyuris

MSB 1964-1969
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Hi Jan:

Great story...

I also spent a 5 day long weekend one time at Josh Schoemaker's house at the Sugar Mill & Plantation Estate...

I believe it was in 1968 sometime (?).

I remember that house in the picture very well.

It was high up on stilts and you had to climb up the outside stairs to enter the living area.

I remember the Josh's mother would offer delicious cookies for tea every day.

There I did met that girl Gail Forrest and another girl called Frances...no pictures though...just memories.

Later, after you taught me how to "borrow" the monk's scooter motorcycles at night, I would go visit sometimes. :-)

Attila Gyuris

MSB 1964-1969
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De: Alfredo Montiel Bezara [mailto:amontielb@megaval.com]
Enviado el: lunes, 07 de enero de 2008 11:11

Attila,

Probably Gonzalo, my brother, can remember those names, I am sure do not remember any names at all, but of course, you, Andres, Fulvio, and Roberto.

Best regards,

Alfredo Montiel Bezara

Form V 1972
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Hola Gonzalo

Añales desde que he oido algo de ti.

Me acuerdo cuando te visité a ti y a tu Mamá en La Florida hace como 35 años.

A lo mejor mi recuerdo es inexacta en el detalle pero si sé que tuvo lugar.

Según tu lista más abajo que le enviaste a Attila, Enrique Gomez, hijo del Ministro de Defensa de Raul Leoni, también falleció y esa información seguramente la puede corroborar Raul Leoni Escobar hijo en West Palm Beach.

Escuche contar a alguien en algún momento, no me acuerdo quien ni cuando, que Enrique murió en una riña en un bar en España.

Me acuerdo muy bien de Enrique Gomez por que yo una vez tuve una lesión muy grave en la rodilla derecha abajo en el campo deportivo.

No me acuerdo que estaba haciendo allí y por que motivo.

Me caí cerca de la cancha, y tropece mi rodilla derecha contra una piedra grande, abriéndomela como una patilla.

Gracias a Dios, no perdí el menisco.

Enrique Gomez me acompañó en todo momento animándome, mientras que me subieron al colegio y de allí me llevaron, creo que en un taxi u otro transporte de la Abadía, a un cirujano en Tunapuna que me suturó.

Esa ayuda anímica muy espontánea y solidaria de Enrique Gomez la recuerdo para toda mi vida.

El tenía cierta fama de patotero pero aquella vez realmente se comportó muy a la altura y de una manera muy sencilla conmigo.

Years since I have heard something of you.

I remember when I visited you and your Mother in La Florida, Caracas 35 years ago. Perhaps my memory is inexact in the detail but I know that it took place.

According to your list that you sent to Attila, Enrique Gomez, son of the Minister of Defence of Raul Leoni, also it passed away and that information surely can corroborate by Raul Leoni Escobar in West Palm Beach.

I remember very well Enrique Gomez because I once had a very serious injury in the right knee down in the sport field.

I do remember what I was doing there and for what reason.

I fell near the field, and hit my right knee against a great stone, opening it like a watermelon.

Thanks to God, I did not lose the meniscus.

Enrique Gomez accompanied animating to me at any moment to me, whereas they took me the school and from there they took to me, I believe that in a taxi or another transport from the Abbey, to a surgeon in Tunapuna who stitched the wound.

The help was very spontaneous and shared in common of Enrique Gomez I remember for all my life.

He had a certain fame of patotero but that time he really behaved to the expectations and of a very simple way with me.

Paz a sus restos.

Cordial saludo

Andrés Larsen
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Gonzalo Montiel <gonzmont253@cantv.net> wrote:

Es posible que se gradúo antes, acuérdate eran dos hermanos Rafael y Gustavo, de todas maneras mi memoria es pésima para eso.

Si sigo en la ingeniería, trabajo en construcción

Creo que algunos se fueron antes pero no me acuerdo bien quienes.

It is possible that he graduate before, remember there were two brothers Rafael and Gustavo, of all ways my memory is terrible for that.

I am in engineering, work in construction

I believe that some went away before but I do not remember well that.

Gonzalo
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De: Attila GYURIS [mailto:gyuris@yahoo.com]
Enviado el: martes, 08 de enero de 2008 15:06

Quihubo Gonzalo:

Gracias por responder con algunos de los nombres.

Me acordaba de las caras pero no de los nombres.

Esos nombres, todos eran de Form V de nosotros?

Yo creo que algunos no.

Por ejemplo, yo no me acuerdo que Gustavo Echeverria se haya graduado con nosotros en Form V.

Cheche estaba algunos años mas adelante que nosotros, no?

Que piensas?

Me acuerdo que tu te graduaste de Ing Civil en la UCAB. Sigues en la Ingenieria?

Thanks for responding with some of the names.

I remember the faces but not of the names.

Those names, all were of our Form V?

I believe that some not.

For example, I do not remember that Gustavo Echeverria has graduated with us in Form V.

Cheche was some years ahead than we, no?

What you think?

I remember that you graduated as Ing. Civil in the UCAB. Are you in Engineering?

Attila
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Salvador Coscarart <salborbolla@hotmail.com> wrote:

Hola hermanos como están y felicidades.

Si Patiño era el flaco que era muy rápido era veloz ese carajo, era de caracas.

Carlos Maneiro esta en contacto con Miguel Angel Luongo.

Yo también estuve en contacto con Natividad Cabello que es hermano de Winston Cabello y primo de Miguel Angel Luongo que era de Cumanacoa, Edo Sucre como ustedes pueden ver en las direcciones yo ya le mande una carta a Miguel Angel para tratar de hacer contacto directo con el.

Así que espero que me conteste, y yo se los re-envio a ustedes, también estaba Frank Ibarra que era el sobrino de Doña Menca de Leoni.

Y Manuel Becerra y los hermanos Borges, también estaba en esa época el negro Monterola, Enrique Aranguren que su papa era el guarda de Rafael Caldera.

El profesor de prep en esa época se llama Mr Mark, que nosotros lo llamábamos el gorila.

Los nombres que yo me acuerdo aparte de los de ustedes son:

Un tal Arreaza, otro que lo llamábamos barrilito que el cura Zua lo atropello con el Volkswagen van .

También estaba Jose Maria Acosta de Anaco, Bartolo de Anaco, Gustavo Echeverria y Xavier Echeverria (chechito) lo llambamos nosotros.

Gonzalo Montiel que se jodio una ves en el trampolín en la piscina, a ver si el se acuerda de esto.

Gonzalo también estaba un Picoli que era de la época de Rafael Echeverria, también había un Jose Rivera de Caracas que lo llamábamos trotu, también estaba Raul Izquierdo si alguien se acuerda de Raul que era de Saint Anthonys.

Los del tigre eran Frank Malaver, Jose Malaver, de El Tigrito estaban los hermanos Edgar y Eloy Moffie de Margarita estaba Pedro Mata, también había un ingles que se llamaba Butterworth, y un francés que lo llamábamos frenchy.

Y un argentino que vivía en caracas.

También el gringo Gabriel Batista.

También Lawrence Town, que era la época de Fulvio y Rafael y Picoli y Bartolo .

Otro italiano de Pto La Cruz era Giorgio Medico.

Bueno los nombre me llegan a la cabeza cuando me transporto al pasado jajajjajaja.

Yo y mi hermano Pedro éramos de Cumana y teníamos el Hotel Astoria.

También estaban los hermanos Dvorak.y los hermanos Rockafort, Carlos y ? ....

Gustavo Achong y Mario Gaston, Arturo Zavarce.

Francisco Rosas, Carlos Pazos, bueno los tengo que dejar por hoy pues tengo que regresar al futuro y a trabajar, un abraso muy cordial a todos los hermanos del Abbey.

Yo y mi hermano estuvimos allí desde el 67 al 74.

Hello brothers how are you and congratulations.

If Carlos Manairo was the skinny one who was very fast, he was quick, was from Caracas.

Carlos Maneiro is in contact with Miguel Luongo Angel.

I also was in contact with Natividad Cabello that is brother of Winston Cabello and cousin of Miguel Luongo Angel who were from Cumanacoa, Edo Sucre as you can see in the directions I already send to in a letter to Miguel Angel to try to make direct contact with him.

So I hope that he answers to me, and I shall resend it to you, also was a Frank Ibarra who was the nephew of Doña Menca de Leoni.

And Manuel Becerra and the Borges brothers, also was at that time “the black” Monterola, Enrique Aranguren whose father was the bodyguard of Rafael Caldera.

The professor of prep at that time was called Mr Mark, whom we called gorila.

The names that I remember aside from those are:

A certain Arreaza, other that we called barrilito that the Zua brother ran over with Volkswagen van.

Also were Jose Maria Acosta de Anaco, Bartolo de Anaco, Gustavo Echeverria and Xavier Echeverria (chechito) as we called him.

Gonzalo Montiel who hurt himself in the springboard at the swimming pool, see if one remembers this.

With Gonzalo there also was a Picoli that was of the time of Rafael Echeverria, also was Jose Rivera of Caracas who we called “trotu”, also was Raul Izquierdo if somebody remembers Raul was of Saint Anthonys.

Those from Tigre were Frank Malaver, Jose Malaver, of the Tigrito were the Edgar brothers and Eloy Moffie de Margarita was Pedro Mata, also there was an English who was called Butterworth, and a French who we called frenchy.

And an Argentinean who lived in Caracas.

Also the gringo Gabriel Batista.

Also Lawrence Town, who was of the time of Fulvio and Rafael and Picoli and Bartolo. The another Italian of Pto La Cruz was Giorgio Medico.

Good the names arrives in my head when I am transported to the past jajajjajaja.

I and my Pedro brother were from Cumana and we had the Astoria Hotel.

Also were the Dvorak brothers, the Rockafort brothers, Carlos and? …. Gustavo Achong and Mario Gaston, Arthur Zavarce.

Francisco Rosas, Carlos Pazos, well I must good for today because I must return to the future and to work, a very warm fraternal greetings to all the brothers of the Abbey.

I and my brother were there from the 67 to the 74.

Jajajajaj hasta pronto.

Salvador

PS: Otro nombre Alloy y Assam Garner de Anaco, Alfredo Seaforth Anaco, .Roberto y Tonito Mezzana.etc....
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Andres Larsen ...
Monday, January 7, 2008 3:01:09 PM

Hi Attila and Jan,

I have had a close and good hard look at all the snapshots you chaps have sent me in recent days.

In Laszlo's first PHOTO of CLASS of 1963, Jan Koenraadt identifies 11 and 18 as Paul Quesnel, but Paul Quesnel e-mails to say that he is only 18, which leaves us with the mystery of who is 11.

I think I have now solved the mystery based on the snapshot Attila sent of the Chaguaramas Scout Camp where 6 is Josh Schoemaker; and the snapshot that was sent of the three Aqualads where the third on the right is Josh Schoemaker.

Gentlemen, in Laszlo's PHOTO of CLASS of 1963, the mysterious 11 is none other than Josh Schoemaker.

Take a look for yourselves and compare Laszlo's snapshot with the two others. I am attaching all three again below as separate files.

Something else, Attila, unfortunately I am not able to help you with the names of our Class and the different Forms we went through.

However, the explanation you give Jan Koenraadt about jumping a grade and both of us graduating together is absolutely correct.

Best regards

Andrés Larsen
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Michael D' Ornellas <michael@elchicoeggs.com> wrote:

Dear Andres,

You are correct, #17 is me and #11 is Peter Quesnel.

happy New Year,

Specs.
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Any more comments on this CLASS jigsaw and I shall go crazy. Those of you who keep up to date photos, do not forget to down load these. (Ed.)
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Photos:
63UN0001CLASS1969, Prep A photo taken in 1963
66UN0001CLASS1969, Form II photo taken in 1966.
XLS file on CLASS 1969 analysis by Jan Koenraadt [NOT INCLUDED DUE TO FORMATTING PROBLEM]